Agree that "young girls" is a bad name, other users proposed we instead use "young woman/lady" which im fine with. Kind of like the discussion of dilf and similar tags [1] (ignore this) I dont understand the issue about lolibaba being a direct subset of legal lolis. If you want an adult working an office job that resembles a loli, search legal loli and blacklist lolibaba. If you want a vampiric immortal loli like the witches from re:zero, just search lolibaba. Lolibaba wouldn't return any "adult lolis" since they're categorically not equivalent That said, a loli turned vampire but has only lived to say, 50, falls outside of lolibaba's definition even though it should be. On second thought, we can remove its status as a direct* subset of legal loli; instead: a loli (often legal) that is capable of reaching, or already is, an "ancient age" (100? years old) through inhuman or fantastical means. [1] describe dilf +61

@Fuckriri: Some answers to your concerns: The common example of a girl becoming a vampire during childhood is a case where she's never been an old woman, but could've lived for centuries. People have different kinks that trigger different reactions and connections. That's why there are different tags for lolibabas and legal lolis. Some people like one, some the other. Lolibabas are not legal lolis. Yes they are "legal", yes they are lolis, but the term 'legal loli' just refers to adult women who looks like lolis. It would just ruin it to tag all 'lolibaba' galleries with 'legal loli'. I disagree with women 30 years old being called 'young girls' but maybe that's just me.

Young girl - female aged 16-30, and depicted as such (excludes legal lolis since they're child-depicted). "Young lady" or "young woman" discussed as a better tag name create tag young girl -17

Dumping this here Mesugaki ("msgk") - a bratty loli whose main personality is one that teases, harasses, or generally provokes others. Imo, it doesn't have to be in a sexual manner nor does it have to be towards an adult or older character, though it oftentimes is. Also, is there a male equivalent for bratty shotas? describe mesugaki accepted create tag msgk -17 Lolification - an adult woman is transformed into a loli. A specific type of "age regression" involving a female that moves from adult to childlike appearance/behavior create tag lolification withdrawn "Onee-loli" ("one-san loli" & "one-loli") - yuri involving an older woman (onee-san) and a loli create tag onee-loli +17 create tag one-san loli -3 create tag oneloli -14

After pondering for a while, I think it's best defined as this: Lolicon (current tag*) - umbrella for all child-depicted females. Age is irrelevant at this level (subtags below) https://nhentai.net/tag/lolicon/ describe lolicon +15 rename lolicon → loli +11 *I agree with the proposal to rename it to loli Legal loli - a loli that, despite their childlike appearance, is explicitly mentioned/shown as being over 18 years old and capable of consent (or 16 for Japan, whichever is best for the site) create tag legal loli +23 Lolibaba - a *specific type of legal loli* that leans more towards ancient age. To be as objective as possible, the minimum age of the loli is 60 years old since baba = grandma (minimum age is debatable, but should be established). Note: all "lolibabas" are "legal lolis" create tag lolibaba accepted

@Aelter > "A character that looks like a little girl, but is in fact an old woman or has lived for centuries. Often the character acts and speaks in the manner of an old woman." - No need to add "has lived for centuries" because the "old woman" description already includes that. Also disagree with "acts or speaks like an old woman." See [2] I've always wondered, why aren't there two different tags for this? There's the 100 year old "ancient loli" archetype [1], and then there's the "adult woman with a lolis body" archetype like Futaba Igarashi or [2] [1] ancient loli #430843 | Mayonaka no Yoruko-san | Midnight's Yor… | 50,666 [2] adult loli #469242 | Yarashii Kibun ni Naru Appli Ane to Ore… | 39,211

@akashako I think that description is perfect.

wow it's real, the towako serie doesn't have that tag, it's a need #632426 | Towako 1-19 + Towako Oboro Emaki 1-18 f… | 401

"A loli character that is and acts as an elderly woman. Typically speaking in an older dialect that reflects her age." I think this is enough. I'm not sure if it should include the stipulation of excluding lolis that do not act elderly despite being ancient. Like Rory Mercury, Kanna Kamui, or the Scarlet sisters.

A younger looking character whose true age is only shown through her behaviour.

This absolutely needs a description, you all have been deep in goon soup for too long. I had no idea what this was, and I'm pretty cultured. I love the tag and it's sorely needed, just throw in a "An elderly character that is visually a loli character." Something like that.

This is quite needed tag

this is a no brainer to add, doesn't even need a description honestly, we can add it later

"A character that looks like a little girl, but is in fact an old woman or has lived for centuries. Often the character acts and speaks in the manner of an old woman."

The part about the acting or talking like elderly should be in the description. It’s the defining trait from simply legal loli (she looks and acts loli but actually legal age) that lolibaba lovers expect.

"A lolibaba is a fictional female character archetype who possesses the physical appearance of a young, petite girl but is actually an elderly, immortal, or centuries-old being, often characterized by her tendency to treat actual adults as children and uses patronizing words much like how an older sister or grandmother would use to tease a younger sibling."

Aelter's second description fits with the tag.

+1 Aelter's second suggestion

Some ideas for a description: An old woman with the appearance of a little girl. A character who looks like a little girl, but is actually very old. A very old loli.

Description suggestions: "A loli character that is elderly or ancient." "A character that looks like a little girl, but is in fact an old woman or has lived for centuries."

Would greatly benefit from having a small description. A good example for the tag could be #487620 | OYAOYAKODON | 55,104 .