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vanilla

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wholesome

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Warm, cozy feeling and a slight spicy scent with a creamy comfort.

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A wholesome work is defined as a narrative that has a optimistic or positive outlook, pure, and emotionally heartwarming. Most, if not all, have a happy ending of some kind even if bittersweet.

note Because many and i mean many people just want wholesome stories where the mc and the love interest actually care about eachother and stuff

staff We will let y'all have this and I'll be closing the other similar-vein suggestions that are presently open. Thanks all for your input here hope this can satisfy some of you! :)

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19/5 report: create tag vanilla accepted create tag romance rejected create tag lovey-dovey sex rejected create tag wholesome rejected Total votes: circa 2200, of which ca 2000 were upvotes (~91%). Ca 93 comments. The admins are skeptical about these tags because they think their definitions comes down to opinion. Adm. Ranchdog (3 days ago): "We have already seen a pretty massive amount of subjective takes [...] about this tag [...] its also equally true that this is the most demanded thing by a longshot. So how about this; I'd like you guys to try and lock in and agree on a proper description for "vanilla" then we'll decide from there." My suggestion for a description: "Standard-flavoured sex without spice, no fetishes just the traditional mom-and-pop co-op bop." (But what I really want is the tag 'wholesome' instead, see previous comment)

'Vanilla' could also refer to works and galleries with no heavy subjects, normal interactions and basic sex scenes. However, I think it can still be open to interpretation and personal opinion. It could also refer to stories in which two or more characters consent to and engage in sexual activities, which sometimes leads to romance.

Aelter +1!

This. Exclude as well, shota, loli, and incest in the following tag.

I really want this but i think naming it like this is really misleading; if it means love or romance then this tag would differ widely, as lolicon, futanari or even rape with the girl enjoying it in the end would be considered "vanilla" by some... I think what a lot of people think for can be called as "ordinary sex" or something that's realistic and less kinky... Calling it simply vanilla wouldn't work cause the definition of the word varies from a person to another... This will probably be rejected but i like that so many people support this, we'll probably get something similar in the end.

And by the way, this way you don't need vanilla tag anymore. Just use your blacklist. On the other hand, you can miss cool doujinshi just because the work tagged NTR is a set of doujinshi, and so 1 story can gatekeep other 5. That's why I am suggesting "vanillalist" as a filtering mechanism

We can look at Fakku, which has vanilla as a tag. They describe it as: Happy sex with a romantic, sweet story. Typically, it involves a couple, or they end up together in the end. Note that this does not simply mean the absence of harder/more deviant elements. So, as you can see, vanilla can be a lot of things across platforms too. One of the biggest hentai archives, E-hentai, doesn't have either vanilla nor wholesome nor romance as a tag. They have a very strict policy regarding tags. You can read it on their wiki page. Why? As it was mentioned before, vanilla is a base, then come fetishes. I think that's why e-hentai decided not to touch this tag. Just remember that we don't want tags to be misleading, and so we need a strong basis when it comes to filtering with tags. The argument can be applied to NTR, for example. We need accurate representation of contents so people who blacklisted NTR can avoid non-vanilla works.

Aelter +1!

[part 1/2] Excluding related minor suggestions (e.g. "happy end", "love confession", etc.), but including the four larger ones mentioned below, many commenters mention creating 'wholesome' as a superior tag. 🔹 in 'vanilla': [I made a long list but the symbol count got too long for this comment, but wordsearch "wholesome" in this page and you'll find loads of people agreeing with the sentiment "I think 'wholesome' would be better than 'vanilla'"] 🔹 in 'romance': "I wonder if it can be overlap with vanilla tag (which we try to change to wholesome)." / "+ wholesome" 🔹 in 'wholesome': "I hope the mods see the comments on the vanilla suggestion and approve this one instead of that one." [and 2 more comments, out of 5] A few comments also refer to 'vanilla'. 🔹 in 'lovey-dovey sex': "Wouldn't it fit into vanilla?" 🔹 in 'romance': "Wouldn't the vanilla tag suffice for this?" / "If we can't have Vanilla, can we atleast have this?"

[part 2/2] IMHO, this shows that... A. Most if not all of the ones who want these tags would be happier even if only one of them got accepted; B. The preferred tag is 'wholesome'. (... especially since suggestions with higher votes tend to grow exponentially, skewing the popularity of a given suggestion.) All this, on top of the huge demand, proves to me we SHOULD add one of these tags, and it SHOULD be 'wholesome'. Anyone agreeing with me? Anyone disagreeing? I propose to you write "Aelter +1!" or "Aelter −1!" accordingly, so we can show the admins a consensus.

Thank you jjmcm 17 of May report: create tag vanilla accepted 1032 upvotes create tag romance rejected 332 upvotes create tag lovey-dovey sex rejected 91 upvotes create tag wholesome rejected 49 upvotes Totals: 1670 votes, 1504 upvotes, 166 downvotes VANILLA description suggestion: "Standard-flavoured sex without spice, no fetishes just the traditional mom-and-pop co-op bop." WHOLESOME description suggestion: "A heartfelt story with consensual sex throughout and a happy ending, oftentimes featuring romance, making you feel warm and fuzzy inside."

I third that @jjmcm541, as well as the ones below, wholesome is the way. @RusKirito I think if the vanilla tag is added and accurately followed, it would kinda serve as a natural anti-"taboo" filter. The presensce of vanilla would indicate the absensce of things like ntr, the only times I think you would find them together in a single work would be in an anthology or tankoubon.

I second what @Aelter said a few days ago. Wholesome is story based like it involves love. Vanilla is the sex part that involves lack of fetishes outside of traditional consentual sex (bdsm, lolicon, anal, etc.).

The confusion is happening because people want a "wholesome" tag but are calling it "vanilla". Vanilla sex is when a man and a woman both adult and consenting have missionary sex with a condom and then call it a day, nothing fancy, just default sex with zero freaky business. That's not what people are upvoting this for. I believe the best option would be to reject this one in favor of create tag wholesome rejected

if this tag is so subjective, can't we just make a "set of tags" for doujinshi to be vanilla that will be unique to every person? We already have blacklist, but maybe I want a specific list of tags to be a part of my "vanilla experience". Because I believe it is an experience. So we can give people freedom to make their own vanilla tag in what it must contain and what it shouldn't. I put a bunch of tags in there that I like and don't like in my "vanilla experience". That way I can still enjoy some of my "naughty" tags that shouldn't be in vanilla, and still get them on my feed. Today I want vanilla and tomorrow I really want NTR. What do you think?

Vanilla isn't wholesome or loving because it can't be, it's vanilla because it lacks certain flavours, like chocolate (i.e. NTR or whatever.)

Maybe think about it like this, vanilla is vanilla because it isn't chocolate or strawberry or kimchi or turkey. However, a lot of things have vanilla in them, like rocky road or cookies and cream but you wouldn't just call it vanilla with stuff because it doesn't standout.

Does it even have to be all lovey dovey? As I understand it, it's just the bare minimum, basic sex.

Two consensual parties doing it out of pure love without any extreme fetishes, how about that?

We have already seen a pretty massive amount of subjective takes and opinions in the comments about this tag and its meaning which is the root of our worries materialized. But its also equally true that this is the most demanded thing by a longshot.. so how about this; I'd like you guys to try and lock in and agree on a proper description for "vanilla" then we'll decide from there.

I don't care if it's 'vague'; we ain't gonna lose anything by having it! Worst case, don't consider it at all!

This is definitely necessary when a netorare exist. A hero needs a villain for them to called one. A pole called North because south exist. Something need to oppose the standalone ntr

I'm suprised we don't have this tag already considering this site has been up for over 10 years now.

Personally, I think 'wholesome' would be the best one as a name, with a description like "A heartfelt story with consensual sex throughout and a happy ending, oftentimes featuring romance, making you feel warm and fuzzy inside." Check wholesomelist.com (and its info, staff favs, and S rank bible) for pointers.

As of writing this comment there are four popular suggestions concerning this subject: - create tag vanilla accepted - 856 upvotes - create tag romance rejected - 230 upvotes - create tag lovey-dovey sex rejected - 75 upvotes - create tag wholesome rejected - 18 upvotes With a total of 1327 votes and 62 comments. The need and want is apparently substantial.

It doesn't matter if there can be wholesome ntr works, they're really rare and you could just add -netorare to the search anyway. Clearly there is a big demand for a tag like this, but vanilla is misleading, it should be named "wholesome".

A wholesome tag mean nothing cause ntr doujin can still have the wholesome tag

I tried adding the wholesome tag, spent half an hour getting it perfect. When I hit submit the taxonomy system just erased everything T_T

Wouldn't the solution be adding a wholesome tag?

This is needed, same as netori as a tag

Please please we need the vanilla or wholesome tag

After hard day this is what I need, to just select this tag and read a good wholesome stuff. We need that ASAP!

y'all please go upvote the new wholesome tag someone suggested creating. There is clearly demand for this we just have to keep pushing it until the admins accept it

if vanilla is not the best way to say it or describe it.... Why not instead of vanilla we add this tag instead : "Love story" "Romance" or similar ?

We are not adding vanilla.

This is the way

This is necessary

Never in my life that I thought I would see a discussion in this site with admins and community about adding a vanilla tag. What a time to be alive.

If this tagged ever get added, rename it to "wholesome" instead of vanilla, because the terms of vanilla can cause misleading interpretation.

But won't this be too subjective? I've read some doujinshi romance started with rape. People said it's wholesome, but from what I see it's just manipulation and unwholesome shit

This would be hard but not impossible, like many have already stated it's too broad, Wholesome might be easier? Most people would at least understand what that would entail.

There needs to be a clear rule for it. Vanilla can be so many different things. With the voting system, it'd be a good idea to implement this tag ONLY if 80+% people voted in favor of it. It's too subjective and two people can have different ideas on what vanilla is.

I personally think of vanilla as any sexual interactions that don't lean into or focus on any fetishes, roleplaying or other things that are more extreme than just 'plain' sexual activity (age mostly irrelevant) and is generally associated with consent or otherwise non-exploitative interactions. I do not have anything against this tag but would like for there to be a seperate tag for wholesome stuff, i.e anything that is wholesome or ends in a wholesome way including any fetishes, roleplaying, bdsm, tentacle stuff, consensual non consent and basically anything else as long as you could consider it as fairly wholesome (age irrelevant).

(part 1/2) My two cents: The term 'vanilla' is akin to icecream-flavours; vanilla would be the standard-flavoured white icecream. It means no BDSM, non-con, lolicon, monsters, tentacles, incest, gangbangs, roleplay, NTR, blood/wet/scat/roman, exhibitionism, prostitution, drugs, etc.. Basically 'normal sex' without fetishes, the ole mom-and-pop co-op bop.* And 'wholesome' means good-natured, joyful, consensual sex throughout the work, making you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Threesomes can be wholesome, tentacles can be wholesome, BDSM can be wholesome... as mentioned before, the Wholesome Hentai God List is a good place to learn about truly wholesome works. In ‘wholesome’ there is usually romantic feelings involved, but not necessarily. * -- I would definitely consider anal vanilla though, that was sort of spicy maybe ten years ago, now it's like saying oral isn't vanilla.

(part 2/2) So ‘vanilla’ and ‘wholesome’ can overlap and they are often seen together, but not always. IMHO, we should have both tags. Contrary to what others claim here, neither vanilla nor wholesome is the default for the works on nHentai. To get vanilla works one would have to filter out a lot of tags. And the biggest controversy concerning this is to have none of these tags at all. I agree, however, that their interpretations differ from person to person, especially ‘vanilla’; furthermore, what OP has described more closely resembles ‘wholesome’. I therefore think the correct solution to all this would be to add the ‘wholesome’ tag to the delight of thousands! It would be safeguarded by the voting system and a proper description, ensuring that mistagging is eliminated.

although i appreciate the thought, i think you misunderstood vanilla, since if we're talking about the internet slang, vanilla usually means the base version. if you want loving, tender sex you'd go for 'wholesome'

Honestly, I prefer to rename this to "wholesome". It makes more sense than vanilla. Vanilla usually used as a based flavour, in here it can be anything. I don't think the term can describe exactly what the note and tag description mean.

I agree with the admins, that this can be subjective and will be hard to define. The voting will likely take care of most of this ambiguity though just like with others tags. And the default of a gallery isn't really being "vanilla", but just being badly-tagged. But it might just be better to have a vanilla "preset" that blacklists all the evil shit that you shouldn't need to know exists, and have that be the default :), then add this special mutually-exclusive tag.

I want to add that I would also prefer "wholesome" rather than "vanilla" as something can be "wholesome" without needing to be "vanilla" and that way we can avoid the issue of "vanilla" not being necessary. Clearly people want something like this, whatever form it takes

Vanilla can be subjective, however there are some works like #202748 | Sweet Chocolate | 3,913 about which there is just nothing to say other that these are vanilla And for some people (like me of course) this tag will be super helpful to discover works that don't have a lot of tags due to being "default" which otherwise would be lost among all the other doujins I really think this tag should be added and the community will make the best out of it, especially with a new voting feature

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