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Tag description Gathering where multiple people engage in sex

note Unlike 'harem', orgy is not centered around one or two people

staff I'll just accept this for now please open a new suggestion if stuff needs fixing

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@Aelter > If they're huddled up and gathering on a point, then they're not having sex independently. - Correct, I gave two different scenarios: "pairs in sporadic areas on a beach" vs "pairs huddled around a bonfire". Of course, the first _is not an orgy_ because the beach is too large to be considered a "point of gathering." The second _is an orgy_ because a bonfire is small enough to be considered as such > I think your confusing 'orgy' with 'swinging party'. Or I am, perhaps. - I don't think I was clear, I was just providing examples of why orgy != swinging != harem. All I was saying was that orgies _do not need_ to include swapping/swinging, even if a lot of them do. @Pornupine true, the note was damn close to what should've been the description but oh well. I think ranchdong just wanted to get the tag through so we could start seeding it.

After an interesting discussion and well made points it seems like the accepted tag description ignores what was said and makes it almost indistinguishable from the "group" tag.

@Fuckriri: ] > ] > A sex beach where couples show up to have sex independently is not an orgy. ] > However, if they're all huddled up and fucking around a bonfire, I think that is cut-and-dry orgy. Discretion would be pretty important in these scenarios If they're huddled up and gathering on a point, then they're not having sex independently. ] > Swapping partners isn't necessary for orgy. In the bonfire example, the orgy was already established. Whether they swap partners or not is irrelevant, even if it is common in orgy settings I think your confusing 'orgy' with 'swinging party'. Or I am, perhaps.

I left a list of definitions under the gangbang discussion that I think solve most issues people are bringing up here in orgy create tag gangbang +124 Basically, group - any sexual activity involving 3 or more people Orgy - a subset of group where x or more people have sex at the same time and place as each other *without* a central character(s) Gangbang - a subset of group where x or more people have sex at the same time and place as each other *with* a consenting central character(s) Gang rape - gang bang but the center does not consent Now, I would start gangbang and orgy at 4 ppl but a lot of people seem to want the minimum at 5 or 6 Harem - a story element where multiple characters have a single, centralized love interest. Does not have to include sex, so it's not necessarily a direct subset of group

1 @SludgeFudge > Orgy: A non-centralized group of people engaging in sexual relations without restriction. - Almost perfectly defined, thank you. I think attaching a number to "group of people" is the hottest topic now. Whether we start at 4, 5, 6, or even 8 @Pornupine > orgy should include a minimum number of participants or groups of participants (I'd think at least 5 or more participants or 3 groups). - You are correct, the number of participants is the biggest debate right now. Some want to start at 6, some at 8. Also, "3 groups" is 6 participants so it's already within ur range of 5 participants > Does the sex at an orgy need to be consensual or should "gang rape" qualify? Perhaps being decentralized is an intrinsic part of an orgy? - Gang bang/rape are centralized on one or two characters. Orgy is uncentralized, so gang bang/rape are excluded. However, I'd argue rape orgies exist and are still orgy. Ex: uncentralized group (orgy) with rape involved (still orgy) pg61 #155235 | Dropout | 103,563

2 @Osamu09 > better description like "A large-scale group sexual encounter involving many participants simultaneously" - Agree, though I'd add uncentralized. It would be best to include a minimum number though. I might say 4 is large-scale, you might have meant 6. Establishing a baseline prevents ambiguity > which is different from any group works - not necessarily since orgy is a subset. All orgies are groups, but not all groups are orgies (threesomes) > It's basically all about the size of it. It's like the difference between "big breasts" and "huge breasts" - Kind of. It's both the group's size and the lack of a central character(s). If there is a group of 10 and a central 1, that's gang bang/rape, not orgy. On a side note, imagine 4 committed couples have sex in the same room, aware of each other. This is still orgy because the *group itself* is not focused on any central character(s). While a free-for-all, swinging dynamic is common in an orgy, it's not necessary

4 @Rafugapu > Because group mostly starts from 3 persons or 2 partners at maximum. Probably needs to clarify that orgy starts from 8 person who engage in sex. - 8 is pretty restrictive imo, where'd you get that # from? Why not start at 7 or 6 like @Aelter? @jjmcm > Maybe an orgy is multiple groups having sex around each other. Like 3 groups of 2 people are having sex but just around others - 3 pairs* of 2 people. Anyways, yes, that would be an "orgy" @tanstaafl > I think both group and orgy would be useful: group for several people having sex with each other, orgy for several people having sex in the same area but not as part of the same group. - Group is popularly accepted as an umbrella tag for 3+ people engaging in sex. Orgy is a direct subset (everything in orgy is part of "group" but not vice versa). See comment #6 to @Aelter

5 @akashako > I think the group tag should be, "a group of people all having sex together", and Orgy should be "an event where multiple groups of people have sex". - Basically what @tanstaafl was saying, but hard disagree. Why do they have to be disjoint sets? See comment #6 to @Aelter @40-sai archwizard > I think of the [group] tag as more of an umbrella term. There are many subgroups, some of them (not including [orgy]) are: gangbang, harem, swinging - 100% correct. However, swinging and even harem aren't *direct* subsets of group. Two couples exchanging partners for the night (polyamory) but staying in separate rooms would be swinging but not group. A main character can also have a harem but only ever have sex with one of them at a time. Basically, while many works with those tags will result in group action, it's not guaranteed. *Direct* subsets where it is guaranteed would be gangbang, orgy, threesome, foursome.

@Aelter > A sex beach where couples show up to have sex independently is not an orgy. - Depends. Suppose the beach-goers have sex in sporadic areas on the beach and no group can thoroughly be established. Then yeah, that's not an orgy, just commonplace sex. However, if they're all huddled up and fucking around a bonfire, I think that is cut-and-dry orgy. Discretion would be pretty important in these scenarios > Unless a lot of people break rank and start fucking inbetween groups, then it becomes one. - Swapping partners isn't necessary for orgy. In the bonfire example, the orgy was already established. Whether they swap partners or not is irrelevant, even if it is common in orgy settings

@Osamu09 > To summarize again "group" is any sexual activity involving 3 or more people, while "orgy" is a much higher number of people - We should add a concrete number to make tagging easy and objective. Also, orgy is decentralized. Gangbangs are high in number as well, but they're entirely separate from orgies > The only reason to reject this is that there is already a "multiple pairings" tag which nobody seemed aware of - Agreed, but orgy is more commonly understood I'd assume. Renaming multiple pairings to orgy, or approving orgy and then merging the two might be best > Basically we can create a "multiple groups" so we basically have all type of orgies - do u mean for orgies consisting of threesome near threesome etc instead of pair by pair by pair? Idk how necessary that would be tbh

> or we can remove the "multiple pairings" tag to just use "orgy", which seems like a better idea since less tags - Agreed > But the issue is that "multiple pairings" can just be 2 pairs (4 people) which means we would need a different tag for that too - Foursome tags are being proposed. Idt it really matters if it's specifically 2 pairs of 2 [1] instead of a group of 3 centralized on 1 [2], or 1 on a group of 3 [3] [1] 2 pairs pg 11 #334484 | Nodohame | 68,174 [2] 3 on 1 #293304 | CL-orc 01 Ane Zanmai - Three sister's h… | 101,869 [3] 1 on 3 #603853 | Hontou ni Ita!! Jikan Teishi Oji-san 4… | 21,341

Please consider this : create tag gangbang +124

Hey all I'll just let this through for now. Things have continued to be super busy for me but finally starting to calm down.. I want to make a qol and mod permission pass very soon to help smooth the taxonomy process along and give the community more autonomy. Just bear with me a little longer. Thanks!

how long is a tag going to stay in trending, it should be limited to like 2-3 weeks 2 months is overkill

Orgy Oracle below me 😭😭

2/2 -the only reason to reject this is that there is already a "multiple pairings" tag which nobody seemed aware of, so we just need to figure that one out, and I've already given some suggestions. But basically we can create a "multiple groups" so we basically have all type of orgies, or we can remove the "multiple pairings" tag to just use "orgy", which seems like a better idea since less tags, but the issue is that "multiple pairings" can just be 2 pairs (4 people) which means we would need a different tag for that too, so in the end it's the same amount of tags. Though I have to say that "orgy" and "double date" would be more specific than "multiple pairings" and "multiple groups", though the latter would feel cleaner from a taxonomy perspective

1/2 @pandora_call your assumption about people not checking the description is just baseless. That only applies if the world already has a clear meaning you associate it with, but "group" is as vague as a word can get, especially when threesome tags already exist. Of course people are gonna check the definition this amount of discourse is normal considering how recent this feature is. I actually believe that over time, due to gaining experience from other suggestions, the discourse has become much more concrete and detailed as I also already mentioned "group" and "orgy" do indeed have similar meaning in a general sense. So some confusion is normal, but clear points have been made to differentiate between the two, we can't just dismiss that. To summarize again "group" is any sexual activity involving 3 or more people, while "orgy" is a much higher number of people

Guys, please just reject/accept this and be done with it. Tbh it's shit though. Clearly almost nobody in this community has the foresight to tell what a useful tag is or not. If there is this much discourse on trying to define and distinguish this from the existing 'group' tag in the discussions, how do you think this tag will be used? The answer is just completely interchangeably with group. Yes, definitions are a thing. No, people aren't going to read them 99% of the time. Never mind reading the definitions we as a community have voted in 'group:creampie' for nakadashi and can't even read the preface in front of the tag. This is not a useful tag when 'group' already exists, even if there really is some tiny distinction between group and orgy. Maybe we can rename group instead, as I don't think either orgy or group necessarily implies at least 2 of each sex either or anything, or even more than quite sex at all (the only obvious distinction I found was festivity)

@ranchdong with the based pfp. Clearly a fan of breakcore, the most goated subgenre of music.

@zamka the issue is that, even when excluding "sole male" and "sole female" (which would at least mean 2 males and 2 females), it's not enough people to be considered a true orgy

Won't searching for "group" and excluding "sole female" and "sole male" work for this, or is the goal to have a specific tag for stuff where all characters participating in the activity have an actual face and unique personality?

I concur. . .

Tag description: Gathering where multiple people and partners engage in sex

@Ranchdong W admin. Thanks for keeping us in the loop... Take all the time you need... we’d rather wait for quality than get something rushed. Keep cooking...

yeah, ranchdong might not be very active with the tag stuff, but the behind the scenes developing is the groundwork for what's to come

@Ranchdong: Take your time and enjoy the ride. The site needs happy admins ^^ We don't want to stress you and we are grateful for the existence of nHentai! If mods will be added later on I'll be happy to help out. Continuing on Osamu's thoughtpoints, I think 'multiple groups' is the right way ahead. The description of this tag 'orgy' could simply be changed into "A gathering where six or more people have sex in multiple groups." ("seven or more people", "at the very least 6 people", or just "people" also works for me) Although, to travel the whole road we'll have to change the 'multiple pairings' to align with 'double date' or create a 'fourway' tag... or do something along those lines, as Osamu points out. Whatever is chosen it sounds like a headache to me, considering eHentai rules. I don't have a strong opinion on what to do here, or if nothing at all should be done. I love genuine orgy scenes in hentai, and 'group' and 'multiple pairings' is missing the mark. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ranchdong no worries bossman good luck with your work o7

It's not done, things have just been really busy for me atm, and I have todo some dev work to allow for mods. I'll try to get something moving in the next week or two.

they should just make a few mods. How hard can that be?

chat this taxonomy shit might be done for no new accepts in a fat minute LOL

1/2 you know what, sometimes in life we can't have good things and it's because the world has been set in motion a long time ago and there's things we just cannot change. Sadly @Aelter just put the nail in the coffin by mentioning the "multiple pairings" tag Daga kotowaru. In life we are presented with choiches. We might not have free will, but we don't know that. So we keep choosing. Because that's what it means to be human I now present you 2 alternatives. One is the easy path. And the other is the hard path. Are you willing to take on the hard path knowing that it is no better than the easy path. If yes, keep reading on part 2/2

2/2 Anyway yeah, we can just make a "multiple groups" tags, which would be consistent with the "multiple pairings" tags. "multiple groups" would pretty much always be orgies, while "multiple pairings" not always, but at that point I don't feel like it would make much of a difference, we pretty much still accomplished the goal. But that would be the easy path Here's what the hard path looks like. We accept the "orgy" tag. The "multiple pairings" tags become redundant, well mostly redundant. "multiple pairings" can be just 2, which is a type of foursome, which is not an orgy. But I have the solution. create tag double date +7, so we can re-tag the remaining works with either "orgy" or "double date" Now is the time to choose. "multiple pairings" and "multiple groups" or "orgy" and "double date"?

I'll wait first on whether aliasing will be implemented before going further with this proposal.

[part 1/2] 'group' = a tag that encompasses threeways, foursomes, gangbangs, orgies, swinging parties, circle-jerks, and any sex with three or more participants (on some sites, four or more participants) 'orgy' = a more specific tag in which lots of people have sex at the same time in the same space, in eromanga it is sometimes shown in a large panel In orgies the sex is not just a single cluster, as in an airtight FMMMMM sixway with handjobs, it's a bigger free-for-all-ish type of deal. Like Osamu said "everyone is fucking everyone". It's close to swinging but definitely separate from that too. Furthermore the fucking can't be totally detached in separate two-by-twos, the act demands a certain awareness of the group, a communication of minds. A sex beach where couples show up to have sex independently is not an orgy. Unless a lot of people break rank and start fucking inbetween groups, then it becomes one. Lastly, an orgy can't be 5 people or less. That's too small.

│[part 2/2] HOWEVER, personally I am conflicted about this tag. We already have 'multiple pairings' (which is much closer to 'orgy' than 'group') and it feels like we would have to move around things a bit. I'm not against it either, as I like true orgy-scenes in hentai. I'm withholding my vote for now Examples of tag: #135232 | Witchcraft Complete | 10,327 page 206 #448769 | Rankou de Wakarou! | Let's Learn With O… | 18,353 page 47 #632521 | Reiwa Seikyouiku Jisshuu Kakumei! | Rei… | 41,617 p. 145 #187068 | Nudist Beach ni Syuugaku Ryokoude!! - I… | 84,479 p 240 #638881 | Saoyaku Yamato Takeru ga Onna Eirei-tac… | 5,605 p43 #265725 | NPC Kan MOD | NPC Rape MOD + Omake | 121,436 p44 #587579 | Kodomo Idol o Suki Houdai shite Idenshi… | 15,289 p2 #129595 | Peace Hame! Ge | 73,705 p240

I agree with @40-sai archwizard "I think of the[group] tag as more of an umbrella term." All orgies are group sex, but not all group sex is an orgy.

+1 to what Osamu said

yeah, orgy is so much more specific. It's like everyone is fucking everyone here's the thing. An orgy is like a party of sex. You can't just invite a few people and have an orgy It is true that often "group" and "orgy" are considered the same, but that's only if we consider reality where actual orgies are very rare since there's a lot of challenges. But in hentai/fiction is a completely different story. So I do really believe that an "orgy" tag is needed. It just needs a better description like "A large-scale group sexual encounter involving many participants simultaneously", which is different from any "group" works. It's basically all about the size of it. It's like the difference between "big breasts" and "huge breasts". Like if we're that worried about it overlapping in meaning with "group", then let's just make the requirement for "orgy" higher, like a "A large-scale group sexual encounter involving at least 10 participants simultaneously"

I think of the [group] tag as more of an umbrella term. There are many subgroups, some of them (not including this proposal) are: gangbang - create tag gangbang +124 harem - describe harem +104 swinging - describe swinging +126 If adding aliases to tags will be done, then some work will be done to other major tags as well - rape, exhibitionism, ntr, lingerie, to name a few.

I really feel like group fulfills this so I'll prob reject it I am still ruminating on adding aliases to tags in which case having orgy be an alias for group would prob be the play.

Mods on a no fap journey?

Bruh do something about this....

Isn’t Orgy and group same think? Or It has a different meaning?

unrelated but does anyone know how to filter by proposer on the search? I'm typing out just the name but it's not really working out for me :(

I completely forgot about the group tag when I suggested this, my bad. But I like where the discussion has been going, like having 'orgy' being like a subset of 'group' would be nice.

i thought its "group" tag?

Do agree with the drift of comments here, I think it would be fine to expect people to learn about the group tag, but the issue here is searching 'group' may inadvertently include artist circles or unrelated titles. Even if this is rejected, I think it should be considered that tags now have descriptions, so another good compromise might just be to update 'Group' to include a description that has 'orgy', 'group sex' and other related terms in there so that people find it and learn it.

lol are we getting no more approvals?

That sounds as a good solution

I think the group tag should be, "a group of people all having sex together", and Orgy should be "an event where multiple groups of people have sex".

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