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tag double date

Tag description The work contains 2 different pairs involved in a sexual act at the same time. It can include switching partners.

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Osamu09 88d ago

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-The work contains 2 different pairs involved in a sexual act at the same time. It sometimes involves switching partners.

+The work contains 2 different pairs involved in a sexual act at the same time. It can include switching partners.
Osamu09 88d ago

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-The work contains 2 different pairs involved in a sexual act at the same time. It often involves switching partners.

+The work contains 2 different pairs involved in a sexual act at the same time. It sometimes involves switching partners.

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point being, the definition of "central character" for orgy and gangbang still fits the bill even in harem or whatever similar scenario

Glad to help, thanks for reading it all > For example I believe an harem scenario can be an orgy if either the harem members are sexually interacting with each other - you are correct, if the harem members engage in sexual activities with each other, it would be an orgy. However: > Though I still don't think that orgy can't have central characters - The fact of the matter is that, in your example, once the harem members turn their attention away from the mc, the mc ceases to be the "central character" in the group Example: #531649 | Jogakkou de Otoko Hitori na node Kousok… | 65,658 The thumbnail, by itself, is a male-centered gangbang: the central character is clear, established and the women focus on him alone By page 43, the two silver-haired sisters stop focusing on the guy alone. Despite the fact that he is the center of the story and harem, he ceased to be the central character *in the group's* sexual activity. Thus, it would be an orgy (as you said) Ik pg43 is a foursome, but the premise is the same, just increase the #

@fuckriri1234 I feel like everything makes more sense now. I somehow missed that gangbang can be focused on more than one character. Though I still don't think that orgy can't have central characters. For example I believe an harem scenario can be an orgy if either the harem members are sexually interacting with each other (even like a kiss) or the main character is able to have sex with multiple members at the same time. I believe that after all the number of people is more important than anything else for an orgy setting. I've asked chatgpt and it said that orgy can have central characters. On wikipedia the description of orgy is "An orgy is a sex party where guests freely engage in open and unrestrained sexual activity or group sex" If I have the chance (aka "shortstacks" gets finally accepted and I get back a free slot), I think I'm gonna suggest a refined description of "orgy", so we can resume the discussion there

@Osamu09 I left a long ass comment on the orgy discussion if u wanna check it out As far as the number of participants in an orgy, I would personally be fine with 4 or more, but it seems the majority wants a minimum of 6. Supposing we go through with the foursome tags, that should be fine, but where would groups of 5 fit in? There's no fivesome tags, and it falls outside of the orgy range, so ?? We could create a general "fivesome" tag without specifying the genders to prevent bloat (we wouldn't use FFFFM, MMMMF, etcetc). Also, I don't think we "multiple pairings" after all. Since all orgies would have m. pairings, the tag would just be slightly broader as it would include foursomes with 2 pairs of 2, but that seems redundant. In the end, I can concede that orgy = a group of 6 or more (tbd) with no central character. We would create a single "fivesome" tag, and we would remove "m. pairings" and accept "double date" as a subset of foursome with the specific couple-swinging dynamic

@Osamu09 combed through the orgy discussion, will be commenting in a moment. but ur right towards the end, organized has two main components: large size and lack of central characters. Gang bang/rape - large size, central characters Orgy - large size, no central characters

@fuckriri1234 quoting @Aelter (3 weeks, 4 days ago) "A gathering where six or more people have sex in multiple groups". Also quoting @jjmcm (1 month, 3 weeks ago) "Maybe an orgy is multiple groups having sex around each other. [...] Then the group tag is just several people having sex together like a foursome or something". In general people described it as "multiple people" which is indeed vague, but the idea is that "orgy" should be a lot of people, not just a few I keep thinking about the example you sent #464558 | Danchi Shoujo - Wonderful Environment 3 | 11,245 where it's just 5 people, but because of how the group is structured "orgy" does feel like the most appropriate tag. So in the end I can see how you might be onto something with the lack of a central character. But I think it's a bit different. The definition should have something like "it focuses on more characters", which is different than having no central characters

@Osamu09 I dont see anywhere in the discussions where it mentions that orgy is 5+, so I have to disagree with the initial premise that 4 isn't enough to be an orgy. Also, idet foursome tags should exist as they flood the tag system with permutations that do jack shit (mmmm, fffm, ffff, tttt, tttm, etc). But granting that they will exist, I still don't see an issue in defining orgy as 4+. So what if they overlap a little bit, they're not mutually exclusive Left a comment on [1], tldr: group: umbrella term for 3 or more involved in sexual act orgy: a subset of group with 4 or more that *lacks a central character(s)* gangbang: a subset of group with 4 or more that *has a central character(s)*. I would then split gangbang into male & female gangbang tags to identify the central character's gender multiple pairings: same as i defined earlier Note that group includes threesomes, orgies, gangbangs, etc [1] create tag gangbang +124

@fuckriri1234 as it was discussed in create tag orgy accepted, I think that 4 people aren't enough to be considered an orgy, that's just a foursome. So if we go by this reasoning, "multiple pairings" would not be a subset of "orgy" anymore, it would be the otherway around, "orgy" and "double date" should be subsets of "multiple pairings"

forgive me, partner swapping shouldn't be included in my definition of double date. it's just two couples in the same environment. point still stands

orgy - a subset of "group" where 4+ have sex with no central character(s) multiple pairings - a subset of orgy where at least 2 people in the group have separate partners (a minimum of 2 pairs exist) double date - a subset of multiple pairings with the *specific dynamic of swapping partners* see [1] @Osamu09 I dont think they conflict with each other at all, it's just hard to approve of a subset of a subset of a subset. I suspect multiple pairings would still be a pretty niche tag even if it was properly seeded, so I hesitate to upvote a subset of that Note: all double date would be swinging, but not all swinging would be double date. A couple of two can swing to one other (total of three) but that's not double date (partner swapping). That's just one example, plenty of other scenarios where swinging != double date tw loli, incest [1] double date and multiple pairings inherently pg 79-86 #334484 | Nodohame | 68,177 [2] multiple pairings but no double date pg 65 #652261 | Natsu Loli Ism Ch. 1-3 | 5,451

anyway, now that orgy got accepted, it will still likely take a very long time for progress to be made on this suggestion to summarize, "double date" would conflict with "multiple pairings", but "multiple pairings" is conflicting with "orgy". There's really only 3 possible outcomes 1. we remove the "orgy" tag and add a "multiple groups" tag (but orgies are so cool) 2. we remove "multiple pairings" and accept "double date" (the optimal outcome) 3, we remove "multiple pairings" and create a "two pairings" or another boring name as a tag I mean, even to me the solution seems pretty obvious

@akashako I was a bit conflicted if I should reply now after all this time. Mainly because it would feel a bit unfair, like I'm not giving you a chance to respond back. But I'm kinda bored and I guess "orgy" got accepted so I might as well add a new comment first of all I didn't reply sooner because it didn't seem necessary. My point about balance was pretty obvious and it felt like you just ignored it. Perhaps I was a bit unclear when I said that I could argue "group" is not needed. It doesn't mean I think it's not needed, just that reasonable arguments can be made against it considering "ffm" an hyperspecific tag is just insane. I think that very few people would specifically search for a "group" gallery. Like there's a lot of difference between all the possible "group" scenarios, even if you're not sure if you want a harem or a threesome you would still use "sole male" or "sole female" instead of "group". After that it's not like you need to specify everything

Just because a tag has a few galleries or many galleries does not mean it needs to be removed. 'Big breasts' is included in 1/3 of all galleries. Does that mean it needs to be removed and we start tagging specific cup sizes? I really don't understand why you are so against having multiple tags. If we get rid of tags that are "too broad" like 'group' then you end up having to search using hyperspecific tag like 'ffm'. So when you go search for a group fetish gallery, you have to think "do I want group sex between 3 people or 9 people? What ratio should be the genders of the groups 1f:8m? Nah maybe 6f:3m? Okay that is my group tag done. Oh but should it be romantic or just sex......." and on and on. Removing the extremes at both ends makes a broad fetish like 'yuri' and a specific fetish like 'amazon positon' dificult to find.

@akashako there obviously needs to be some balance. I did indeed momentarily forget about the group tag because it's so common that my brain didn't even register it as a tag when I commented. And the point is exactly that. Is too common, almost 1/5 of all galleries. In fact at this point I could argue that the group tag is the one that's not needed because it's too broad. See? Balance

This tag should, by you own standards be rejected because, "there's an already existing tags that includes them", in this case describe group +5 . You don't outright say niche tags are bad, but extremely often, when I see a comment from you in a tag that is trying to be a specific subset of an existing tag, you say it should not be a thing since a broader tag already exists. If you think that a tag should not be created just because it is a more specific version, then let's get rid of all tags and only have,"descriptive tag" and "non-descriptive tag", since that cover everything that could possibly be tagged and there would be no overlap.

@akashako that makes no sense. This tag is number specific like threesome is. And while there's a few more specifics things (like it has to be 2 pairings, which is just to differentiate from a harem), it's less specific in other aspects like the genders (it doesn't have to be straight pairings) yeah, this is a relatively niche tag. I never said niche tags are a bad thing. They can be bad if there's an already existing tags that includes them, and in this case there's not. At least till I realized there was a "multiple parings" tag (literally 172 works, so it's no wonder it took me some time to notice it). I offered some solutions to that. It mostly hinges on what they decide to do with create tag orgy accepted

You picked the name double date, because it sounds... cooler? What??? I share the same feeling as akashako, all that arguing in other suggestions just to make a feeble suggestion yourself

I just came from those other tags, create tag castration +10 create tag vessel +15 and seeing you go from, "it's too niche" and "it's just a more specific tag of a tag that already exists" to defending a tag that is very specific down to the exact number, and a niche subtag, gave me whiplash.

@roman1311 as I already mentioned once or twice I called it "double date" just because it sounds cooler. But it actually has nothing to do with wether the character are in a relationship or not. Though I did assume that in most cases they would, and I don't think that's wrong, random pairings is rarer and it mainly happens in "orgy" contexts. Also for me, at least in a hentai, a relationship doesn't need to be official or long term or anything to count as one I put the switching as an option just to make the tag seem more compelling as far as I understand there should be a clear difference between just 2 people cheating at the same time and 2 couples switching partners at the same time. But I guess we can keep the "swinging" tag wiith both meanings and then add the "double date" to clarify which type of swinging it is

I like this tag. But the thing is, the "swinging" tag exists. However, the whole tag is a mess, I talked about this ondescribe swinging +126 but in short, the tag is used in works where the pairs aren't in a committed relationship. I'm even more confused what you mean by pairs here, because double dating is completely different from multiple pairings. Double date implies that two pair meet up, each pair in a committed relationship, and they fuck (even your example has that) Multiple pairings doesn't imply that there are any relationships, in fact, it doesn't imply that there's even the act of SWITCHING the partners. That said, since swinging is a mess, I think this tag could exist, but with committed relationships in mind. And maybe it doesn't need to be so strict, for example in #312796 | SEX FRIEND | 47,568 only one pair is in a relationship while the other is pretending to be in one.

3/2 anyway, to summarize, once the "orgy" tag is accepted, we can rename "multiple pairings" to "double date" and then manually remove and add whichever tag should be applied. It's not that many works, I could literally do it by myself. And the point is that "multiple pairings" would still be very redundant, so partially merging it with "orgy" is just the right thing to do. At that point is only about whetever we want a "double date" tag and I'm pretty sure we do

2/2 at some point, when suggesting "double date", I also considered that a work can have more than 2 pairs. But I thought 2 pairs is a much more common scenario and the name is just cool, so I didn't think too much about it I know the situation is really bad, but I thought about it and there's technically a glimmer of hope. First, it requires the "orgy" tag to be accepted. That would make the "multiple pairings" tag redundant since most of them would be orgies (except for just 2 pairings which is not enough people to count as an orgy). At that point a "double date" tag would make sense again To be fair, "double date" is just a foursome specific tag. So someone might think we should just add a foursome tag instead, but there's a few things to keep in mind. For one, a foursome doesn't have to be 2 pairings, it can easily and quite commonly be an harem. For two, "double date" is just a cool name

1/2 I just became aware that a tag called "multiple pairings" exists. In order to be fair I decided to address it So, how come I've never seen it before? Well, it only has 172 works in total. I just checked and it seems they started using it exactly 1 year ago, so it's pretty recent. And most likely it's not used consistently since 172 works still seems too little considering there have been about 80k uploads during that time now let's get to the actual issue at hand. Yeah, the tag is just too similar. Actually "multiple pairings" is just a better tag. I mean, "double date" is a much cooler name, but "multiple pairings" is a more accurate and broader term so, can they coexist? Not really. There's a similar case for create tag orgy accepted, but orgy doesn't have to include just pairs, it can be different groups or everyone fucking everyone. But "double date" is just a "multiple pairings" limited to 2 pairings

I spent an hour looking for that one hentai I remember reading 5-6 years ago and I couldn't find it. Here's the other example I remembered #492543 | Chizuru-chan Kaihatsu Nikki Swapping Ba… | 14,938 . I'm sure someone else can post a few more examples