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  1. Osamu09 80d ago

    Modified the description to better match @Aelter proposed description. Removed the previous note to avoid confusion

    Description
    -A very short-statured, petite adult character with a compact frame but pronounced curvy features, such as large hips, thighs, or bust relative to their height.
    +A very short but clearly adult character with a compact frame but heavily pronounced curvy features (i.e. 'stacked'), such as large breasts, butt, hips and/or thighs.
    Note
    -someone mentioned something about "oppai loli" and so I figured we need this tag
    +(none)
  2. Osamu09 88d ago
    Description
    -A very short-statured, petite adult character with a compact frame but pronounced curvy features, such as large hips, thighs, or bust relative to their height
    +A very short-statured, petite adult character with a compact frame but pronounced curvy features, such as large hips, thighs, or bust relative to their height.

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lenga
lenga
It's up create tag short woman withdrawn
lenga
lenga
"the point is that if it looks like an adult, it's fine to consider it an adult" then we should change the description to "looks like an adult" or "probably an adult". Being an adult is not about body proportions, like using the big boobs and ass in to say she looks like an adult when every other thing about her screams child, adolescent at most. I think I will propose a "Short Woman" tag to get this right so people can actually find adult petite woman and the combine the tags to find short woman with whatever body shape they want
lenga
lenga
Again, what @Osamu09 said just confirms that the age component / the "clearly and adult" bit is just a self-satisfaction for people that like kids to be mixed together with diehard lolicon channers. This is an anonymous site, you guys don't need to signal virtual, for fuck sake there are lots with people here that use the profile description to ask for CP and nobody does anything about it. What about makes her look like an adult? I wanted this tag be an easy way to find thick short women, not to lessen my guilt over finding an underage person attractive. The school uniform was merely a point to strengthen the argument that they are clearly adults, but by your reasoning, if SOME highschoolers are 18 and it's a legal age in many countries it is not CLEARLY an adult, you'd have to get the context to tell, which in most cases they are in fact underage
Osamu09
Osamu09
I've just noticed the tag has been accepted. I would just like to respond to @lenga. There are still few suggestions for the tag, so this is a small sample pool. For the most part I can see why most of them could be considered shortstacks. Highschool uniforms don't actually exclude a character from being an adult. For one highschoolers can be 18 which is legally an adult in most countries. But more importantly, because we're talking about fiction, and as it was discussed a few times in this comment section as well, age doesn't matter that much. Yes, it's still a component, but the point is that if it looks like an adult, it's fine to consider it an adult
Monster_Smasher
Monster_Smasher
Because they're a bunch of pedos in denial
lenga
lenga
Why the " but clearly adult character" when most suggestions in the GTS Backlog are clearly minors with schoolgirl uniforms even? This is basically already become a "thick loli" tag
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
since it's been accepted, i went ahead and seeded the galleries that everyone had brought up would be shortstacks. they'd have been suggested anyways, so whether you agree or disagree, make your opinions known by voting on the suggestions accordingly you can click on the "help seed this at GTS backlog" hyperlinked box, or you can visit each individual gallery below (that i seeded, at least) (?)
King_of_D
King_of_D
How is this still not approved?
ranchdong
ranchdong
That being said I'm okay with the current state of this suggestion description is well formed
ranchdong
ranchdong
As sai says i have serious concerns that the mob could handle the nuance being discussed here..
Aelter
Aelter
Let’s change ’behaviour’ into ’act’ then, and we’ve got The Triple A Standard for Lolis: - Appearance - Age - Act Appearance is most important I think, and can be subdivided into face, bodyshape, and height. Then comes Act, the way the character act and react, manners of speech and innocence, their daily lives. Age is important, but if I have to choose, I’d put age at the bottom because of lolibabas and legal lolis; also I can imagine a oneyearold created being looking like 29. By these factors we can determine how much ’loli’ a character is. Nailing all three gives you a Triple A Loli then. Like a small lil AAA-battery, with AAA-cup breasts to boot.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@40-sai you're not wrong that users aren't tagging galleries correctly democractically, and instead sometimes operate like a herd I liked @akashako's suggestion which was to require a page number(s) when making a GTS of where it occurs. i feel like that would make it 10x easier for the voters to verify if it's a valid GTS or not anyways, the accepted description of lolicon already includes "young-looking female characters" which mirrors what I mean by child-depicted It's like saying a femboy is "female-presenting." People don't really need a list of criteria to understand what it means. But if you need a list, I'm certain someone else can define it better than just age, behavior, and appearance
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@fuckriri1234 ... and this is where things are going to get sketchy. Have that "is a bit on the intuitive side" thing and our beloved democracy voting system slapped together and we're going to have chaos. Just look at the comment sections of (ai generated tag suggestion lost 4 times and counting) and (ai generated tag suggestion won 1 time) alone for an example, looks like some voters do not know the difference between accurate tag depictions and dog slop. I'll be looking forward to how things will play out if ever this gets accepted.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@The_Red_Gaze bro didn't read the description. loli + big boobs (oppai loli) != shortstack ("a clearly adult character")🥀 @Osamu09 it's hard to define what exactly I mean by "child-depicted" but I'll try anyways. It's a combination of factors: appearance, behavior, and age are the most important, I think. In the example we've been discussing, the woman's age and behavior don't resemble that of a loli, even though her appearance does. Case in point, she is not "child-depicted" and therefore not a loli. If the gallery explicitly showed that she was 13 instead (as you said), then her age & appearance resemble that of a loli, even though her behavior wouldn't be. In which case, I agree she would be a loli It's not a perfect standard since "child-depicted" is a bit on the intuitive side. One of those "you know it when you see it" kind of terms
The Red Gaze
The Red Gaze
Just use Loli+ big boobs, shortstack is not needed
idunnouguess1954
idunnouguess1954
im with lenga on this. "legal" oppai loli is an oxymoron because lolicon is about childlike personality *and* body type. it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, etc. and that reasoning is precisely why the shortstack tag should exist so that people who wanna short busty/pear-body types can do so without having to deal with all of that nonsense.
Osamu09
Osamu09
I changed idea after all, you can be an oppai loli and a legal loli at the same time. It's just that the body type parameters should be limited to a normal loli (other than big breasts) because otherwise it's a shortstack
Osamu09
Osamu09
@fuckriri1234 there is a fundamental issue that I didn't touch on in my previous comment. In manga/anime characters are often depicted with children-like faces (such as a bigger head and less prominent facial features). That's why when one of the few remaining differences, height, is taken out it becomes blurry and things like age matter even more All I said is that you can't be a legal loli and an oppai loli at the same time. Being underage is a completely different thing. Hopefully no one thinks all JK (16-17) should be labeled as loli Honestly I have no idea what your standards for "child-depicted" and "adult-depicted" are. In if she was 13 that would be an oppai loli by most definitions
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@Osamu09 I think you're misunderstanding what a loli is. A loli is not an underage female, it describes a *child-depicted female* A legal loli is child-depicted and therefore a loli, despite the fact that she's of-age She is not child-depicted and therefore not a loli, despite the fact that she's underage Futaba Igarashi is not child-depicted and therefore not a loli despite being short and skinny Also, the presence of large breasts does disqualify from being a loli. See below The gallery you provided, I agree does not feature a loli. But it's not because she is 20 years old, it's because she is not depicted as a child
lenga
lenga
This is why I'm also in favor of a petite / slender / small figure / short woman tag, it will separate the pedos from the ones that are merely searching for petite women in this ocean of milfs and enormous brests and butts but also don't want to jerk it to pre pubescents
lenga
lenga
Guys, you HAVE to be honest when discussing the loli theme, we all know that it's not about the body shape, you don't need to discuss the your consuption morality with this underline discourse that oppai loli / loli is about the body. Those who want loli / oppai loli want a child, not just underage because not every schoolgril uniforme hentai is tagged loli, they want a kid's body with at least a childish mentality even if they are supposedly 1000 years old. That's why Uzaki is not an oppai loli despite being short with big boobs. Short Stack is a valid tag to clearly separate these 2 types of work and readers. Those who like curvy short women but don't like lolis will ban the latter and vice-verse. Aprove this.
Osamu09
Osamu09
@Aelter on page 4 it says her age is 20something so by definition she wouldn't be a loli (a legal oppai loli would just be an oxymoron)
Aelter
Aelter
My opinions on examples given ’shortstack’ + ’oppai loli’ ’oppai loli’ (see page 11) unsure, I think ’shortstack’ ’shortstack’ neither (I’d call it ’hebecon’ though) My description remix: ”A clearly and undeniably short adult character with a compact frame but heavily pronounced curvy features (i.e. ’stacked’) — features such as large breasts, butt, hips, and/or thighs. Not to be confused with an ’oppai loli’ whose face and body don’t look like an adult’s.”
Osamu09
Osamu09
@bajoujou I don't know about loli, but that's definitely not a "shortstack"
bajoujou
bajoujou
is my longtime favourite and I've always thought the main girl should be considered a shortstack, not loli
Lustside
Lustside
this one is also another example of shortstack, the girl doesn't look like Loli but has small body and a big one
Osamu09
Osamu09
@idunnouguess1954 it's 96.2% to be precise. Anyway I think there are 2 main reasons. One, from time to time someone doesn't agree in the comments, and even if they are debunked it still creates some doubt in the admin's mind. Two, the admin rarely resolves only a handful of suggestions every once in a while, and I guess this one happened to not get picked, possibly because of the previous point as well
idunnouguess1954
idunnouguess1954
why hasn't this tag been added? votes are like 90% for adding it.
Itsamia
Itsamia
@the_tarnished_one I cannot agree really. Characters like tatsumaki, and Rebecca adult women who are petite and considered loli definitively by their creators. One is super short midget height and is loli. Such a tag doesnt really work. It falls under another tags category. Loli, or Lolicon now.
Amatsuki Yusei
Amatsuki Yusei
This tag would be very useful, in works like # or # you can see that the female characters don't look like lolis, they are just short and VERY thick so the inclusion of the tag would be beneficial.
the tarnished one
the tarnished one
I remembered this site have "midget" tag. Maybe renamed it into this instead? Like # being tagged with this
Osamu09
Osamu09
@Octrice's_Stocking it doesn't have to be the breasts, but if we extend the reasoning to other tags like "big ass", then yeah, this tag is not necessary. Mainly I proposed it because it's an established term, just how we have "oppai loli" which is arguably an even simpler combination of tags. Still, there are practical reasons to add this tag. Mainly "big breasts" is extremely common, so adding any other tag such as "short female" would still give many results and not all of them would be "shortstack". Another reason is that "big breasts" is not the only tag to consider, there's "big ass" and "thick thighs" (which are also very common), so having just one tag accounting for all of these possibilities is just more handy
Octrice's Stocking
Octrice's Stocking
"A very short person (but not a loli or shota) with height ≤ their partner's waist height," agree with the easy way to estimate if someone is short or not I'm gonna be honest, the existence and usage of midget tag actually convoluted the suggestion of this tag. how about midget + big breast tags instead of shortstack?
Aelter
Aelter
[part 2/2] As for 'midget', I can't find any basis for its use in animanga apart from eHentai themselves (except maybe FMA?) Even their own description has some errors, but can be summed up to: ``A very short person (but not a loli or shota) with height ≤ their partner's waist height´´ Finally, shortstacks have IRL counterparts, as in real life shortstack women do exist! While I do not like the IRL porn industry, I know there are several subreddits dedicated to them where one can get an idea on how a shortstack can look like.
Aelter
Aelter
(I'm only talking about erotica here) [part 1/2] loli - girl with childlike face and body legal loli - adult woman with childlike face and body oppai loli - girl with childlike face and body, except she has bazongas (may have butt/curves as well) kyojiri loli - girl with childlike face and body, except she has a phat ass short - a person who is short petite - of a (usually) female body that is small, short, slim with small boobs, but may have small curves (not tagged on loli characters) shortstack - short adult woman* with bazongas and/or a phat ass, haven't got childlike face nor body chibi - art style, look it up on en.Wikipedia.org (* - though I've never seen one, it's easy to imagine a shortstack man, the short king with huge dick, butt, muscles) Go on, fight me on these definitions (ง｀3´)ง
Osamu09
Osamu09
honestly there is one issue I just started to notice. Which is determining if a character is short. I tried taking this as an example . I had to use the 1000 yen bills as a point of reference, but I'm a noob so I might as well have eyeballed it. My estimate is close to 155cm. So she's definitely on the short side
Osamu09
Osamu09
@Bread5x no, a shortstack can have and usually has big breasts. Any large curve counts. I have no idea how the description could be any clearer than it already is
Bread5x
Bread5x
hmmm, im intrigued. As long as shortstack doesn't muddy the water between it and Oppai Loli i think its a good tag. However there is too many requirements like people has discussed that might make tagging shortstack's checkboxes a chore. For me the requirements for each tags that relate to this would be Loli: Short child like body and face Small/flat butt and chest Oppai Loli: Short child like body and face Big/Huge chest Shortstack: Short body Small/flat breast Big/Huge butt and thighs Now i haven't seen lots of shortstack character in this website, would be nice if more people bring more examples and we sort out what makes shortstack short and stacked But personally adding the tag now would muddy the water between it and Oppai Loli. So someone better make it clear what a shortstack really is
Osamu09
Osamu09
@AHentaiPerson2 the issue is there are 2 types of "shortstack". One is more realistic and then there's ones like Midna. At first I thought shortstack was only the first type, but I've now learned that in western culture it's often used for the second type. Which is actually almost making me doubt if it's a good idea to use the tag for the first type, but then it would still be missing, so we might as well use it for both as for the example I gave. To me, if there's the "big breasts" tag then it's enough stack
AHentaiPerson2
AHentaiPerson2
@Osamu09 I don't think that is a 'stack' but I do get the image when I change the proportions inside my mind. Good suggestion.
vagooo
vagooo
after the discussion, I've become convinced to upvote this, appreciate people explaining the nuance and differences: it's good to learn something. Hope the tag is created.
Aelter
Aelter
Examples of shortstacks: Hana Uzaki, Midna, Rouge the Bat, Komaro Michinoku, Loogchoob, goblins, dwarves, yordles, draphs
Aelter
Aelter
I have no big brain to add to this, only smooth brain "I like shortstacks!" because fuck yeah! ... But I'll yap a bit anyway, because I'm big-headed. Shortstacks have two requirements: Short and Stacked. So they need to have big assets, just being short doesn't cut it. 'shortstack' ≠ 'short' 'shortstack' ≠ 'petite' 'shortstack' ≠ 'chibi' 'shortstack' ≠ 'loli' 'shortstack' ≠ 'oppai loli' 'shortstack' ≠ 'kyojiri loli' 'shortstack' ≠ 'legal loli' 'midget' I've never seen before, bad tag (ง｀3´)ง
Osamu09
Osamu09
(page 16). Height checks, boobs checks. Not a loli. Yep, that's a shortstack
Osamu09
Osamu09
someone suggested create tag shortstack male -15 when I suggested the tag I actually made it gender neutral on purpose so that it can include males as well. It's not a super common tag anyway so I think it's fine to use just one tag for both
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
Example of chibi/SD doujin: If you're familiar with the original manga and anime series of this then you know they are not midgets or shorstacks or any kind of vertically-challenged characters by default. It's just the way the characters are alternately designed. This definitely needs its own tag.
MasterMan1556
MasterMan1556
This 100% should exist
Osamu09
Osamu09
I also think that "chibi" should be a separate tag. It's a much rarer style. Like I guess a character could be both a chibi and a shortstack, though at that point I'm not sure if it would even be appropriate to tag is as "shortstack" or similar tags since "chibi" feels like its own category. But either way not all chibis would be shortstacks
akashako
akashako
As for the midget/little person/short stature/dwarf(ism) comparison, it is a slightly different body type. Someone with dwarfism continues to grow larger as an adult would. For comparison, if someone with dwarfism and someone without, compared the size of their hands they would be the same. Dwarfism prevents a person from growing much taller. That would be the main difference between a shortstack and a little person. I'm trying to be accurate and respectful, but this just still feels wrong.
akashako
akashako
To clear some confusion, Imp Midna https://nhentai.net/character/midna/ From Legend of Zelda is perhaps the most famous 'shortstack'. She has a short stature with wide hips. Despite being short, almost no one considers her a loli, because she does not look like a little girl. Because she also does not have large breasts, she would be categorized as an 'oppai loli' even if she was considered a loli. A shortstack would have normal or exaggerated adult proportion, not proportions like a child. These is the main differences between a shortstack and a loli/oppai loli. Also, a shortstack would still also be tagged as a short female, due to the fact they are shorter than an avarage sized person. As for chibi/super deformed, they are not equivalent. As I mentioned before, a shortstack would have relatively proportionate proportions of a shunken down adult, usually the head would be normal adult sized.
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