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tag grooming
Tag description Depicts the systematic psychological manipulation of a character (typically younger or inexperienced) into sexual compliance though prolonged emotional conditioning.
note Common enough trope and would help people searching for the psychological subtext this gives

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  1. lenga 65d ago

    Edited to fit swiftyooh's description since it's better

    Description
    -When and adult manipulates a younger partner into the relationship. Applies to a parent that raises their children thinking incest is okay or a teacher that gives a student psichological support to get in their pants and creating a emotional dependence.
    +Depicts the systematic psychological manipulation of a character (typically younger or inexperienced) into sexual compliance though prolonged emotional conditioning.

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40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
I think we have enough sample size at the gallery currently (barring @BlueAce suggestions I crossed out except one) to give a much clearer picture of what this tag proposal is all about. I expect no more confusion in the future. And oof, that was quick. Thanks @ranchdong, I'll stop with the roasting too as of today.
ranchdong
ranchdong
Your comments were deleted. @lord411 drop it and move on. This is your last chance, I have given you so many already because of your help with other areas of taxonomy. @40-sai move on, stop digging at them.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
im just saying the current description is (with one exception) good enough as is
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
At this point admin is right @fuckriri1234, we are just going back-and-forth discussing nuances at this point. What we need right now is some culturally-inclined lawyer to drop his own definitive take on this (or a RL groomer which we definitely prefer not to have here). In the meantime I'll drop this discussion for now and watch from the sideline, I've done my part here. If you have a new definition reflecting what we've discussed so far you may drop them now.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@40-sai > Ok, I see now where your mistake is, for you it's ok to be labeled as grooming if sex is done already then the process can begin after. But grooming is the opposite of that, even the original wholesome intended meaning is that of a talented youngster being trained (groomed) for something great like sports or politics, not after the fact - Not quite. I'm saying that the occurence of sex has no impact on whether "emotional conditioning" also takes place. "Them having sex in part 1 doesn't preclude the existence of grooming" > where as you can see, the process goes first (befriending, building relationship, etc.) before actual sex can begin (hence the 'glorified polynesian sex') - Grooming IS the process; whether or not sex occurs after the fact is completely irrelevant. The outcome does NOT matter, and everyone (including yourself and your own sources) agree on this. This is also why I said to change the description to "with the objective of sexual compliance"
ranchdong
ranchdong
While I appreciate the discussion I feel this tag has grown into something I don't wish to handle right now. There is simply far too much comments to parse here and I just see back and forth and back and forth. I will likely be closing this. I feel that it's just too divisive for the community to nail down a solid definition.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@Imatterfap_Asamatte_Roff_Act_8 "other predatory behavior" just add other tags where applicable, it's not as if 'grooming' is the only tag available here. On pages 19-23 the character is clearly inexperienced. But "something could have happen before grooming started" on other works, yeah, I get you, there was one doujin where the character was sexually assaulted beforehand then was groomed by some other person. I can't find it though, probably got purged. 'Younger or inexperienced' will not cut it but 'vulnerable' will in this case, hence the reason I went with @fuckriri1234's suggestion "Anyone can be "vulnerable" even adults who are typically capable of consent".
lord411
lord411
@ranchdong Are you going to address this? I currently take it that you intentionally ignored a clear warning of consequences for others just for your own amusement, which would make you an even bigger liability on artists and industry besides running a piracy site
Imatterfap_Asamatte_Roff_Act_8
Imatterfap_Asamatte_Roff_Act_8
@40-sai archwizard None of these descriptions rules out the possibility that something could have happen before grooming started. So imo is better to say that this tag needs grooming to happen first and not after other predatory behavior, like at some point grooming starts having other type of predatory behavior and vice versa, like does have gaslighting and coercion but it didn't started with them or am I tripping?
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@BlueAce Sex right after lower-authority char's confession? No. Same problem - immediate sex with no proper long-term conditioning. Same - this is rape+blackmail (page 25). Next-door neighbor? I'll take it. Total stranger and no power dynamic other than age gap. Questionable, an outlier.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
... where as you can see, the process goes first (befriending, building relationship, etc.) before actual sex can begin (hence the 'glorified polynesian sex'). There's thousands more definition sources like this: https://www.whitelawpllc.com/blog/grooming-definition-legal-implications-and-seeking-help/ "Grooming is defined as a process where someone builds trust with another person to take advantage of them later" ... where the meaning is practically the same. In the meantime, I'd like to add 'vulnerable' and 'known' in the definition to be able to cover adults as well, if any. "Depicts the systematic psychological manipulation of a younger, inexperienced or vulnerable character into consensual sexual compliance by a personally known and trusted authority figure through prolonged physical and emotional conditioning."
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
Ok, I see now where your mistake is, for you it's ok to be labeled as grooming if sex is done already then the process can begin after. But grooming is the opposite of that, even the original wholesome intended meaning is that of a talented youngster being trained (groomed) for something great like sports or politics, not after the fact. We can even google: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/grooming the criminal activity of becoming friends with a child in order to try to persuade the child to have a sexual relationship https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-is-grooming Grooming is defined by the very intentional process of building a relationship with a child or a vulnerable adult with the goal of manipulation, exploitation or abuse https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/gr/grooming/ Grooming is when a person builds a relationship with a child, young person or an adult who's at risk so they can abuse them and manipulate them into doing things
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@fuckriri1234 "we can stick with the same mother-son one that i linked earlier " Dude, even @lenga said so himself "So no, I don't think a son raping and than "training" and emotionally manipulating / coercing / threathening his mother is grooming because there's no process before the sexual exploitation" and I also noted with the 'glorified polynesian sex' and 'Conditioning duration? Target must first be prepared, ideally days and months on end, before the first actual penetration' things. You replied to lenga with "This is introducing another criteria (linear progression) that I was not addressing nor is it in your definition", dude, it's already in the description with the 'into' and 'though (mispelling of through)' words. I also said "Let's not forget the "through prolonged emotional conditioning" bit in the current description by @lenga, that always comes first, then the "sexual compliance" comes next (not going to nitpick on the 'into' and 'through' grammar any further'".
BlueAce
BlueAce
I put up 5 examples I thought fit the tag based on the description. Honestly, I am not reading through all those comments, so just let me know which ones to cut. I will just trust your judgment on this.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@40-sai we can stick with the same mother-son one that i linked earlier systematic manipulation (check) emotional conditioning (check) prolonged duration (check) > this time with a vulnerable adult victim - "At best we can include 'vulnerable character,' but that only circles back to my point that anyone can be groomed. Anyone can be "vulnerable" even adults who are typically capable of consent"
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@fuckriri1234 "- I can see how grooming a naive child is quite different from grooming an adult. This may warrant a separate tag, but I don't think it's necessary when [grooming] is defined without regard to experience like it currently is (systematic emotional manipulation over x length of time). If you want grooming of someone inexperienced, add the [naive] tag that is likely to go through; if you want child grooming, add [lolicon/shotacon]." I can't seem to find the example code/s to match (this time with a vulnerable adult victim, no mental retardation), need a little help here.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@40-sai peep my second comment about experience
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@fuckriri1234 "don't think it's a good idea to split hairs between type ABC" We'll go over that bridge when we get there, first lay down your types, argument as to why it matters, and sample codes, then we can make fine adjustment to the description from there. You know, for if ever that certain someone creates another account just to make another freak circus show here.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
Your example gallery also matches the 3 criteria I (and the description) laid out: emotional conditioning (check), systematic manipulation (check), and prolonged duration (check). So yes, this is grooming. Not strictly because of the "consent," experience, or power dynamics but because of the above
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
> Experience? Target should have no prior experience, or at least doesn't think anything sexual is wrong. - I can see how grooming a naive child is quite different from grooming an adult. This may warrant a separate tag, but I don't think it's necessary when [grooming] is defined without regard to experience like it currently is (systematic emotional manipulation over x length of time). If you want grooming of someone inexperienced, add the [naive] tag that is likely to go through; if you want child grooming, add [lolicon/shotacon]. > Power dynamic? Target should have some huge gaps in authority with the perp. - Feel free to add this as a *defining trait* of it but please recall that you are crafting a definition, not a commonly associated mind map. I already addressed this in [2] (how power dynamic is not a defining trait even though it's extremely common) "that we all know and love(?)" this'll be the first tag i blacklist lol
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@40-sai don't think it's a good idea to split hairs between type ABC > Consensual? Target should have consent or at least not hating it. No drugs, hypnosis, etc." - grooming is the process of manipulation... you literally cannot consent to being manipulated and that was my very first point in [1] > Conditioning duration? Target must first be prepared, ideally days and months on end, before the first actual penetration. - Penetration (or the outcome, rather) does NOT matter. Grooming is the process of manipulating someone to do xyz. You, lenga, myself, and everyone else have already agreed on this point and to change it such that penetration is required is a huge goalpost shift As far as the duration of conditioning goes, agreed.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
Oooh, nice, we can pin examples now. Here, , that's just about the perfect example of Type A.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
Let's just say this is the Type A (aka the default) that we all know and love(?) lol: Underaged character groomed by some older trusted authority character "Consensual? Target should have consent or at least not hating it. No drugs, hypnosis, etc. Experience? Target should have no prior experience, or at least doesn't think anything sexual is wrong. Power dynamic? Target should have some huge gaps in authority with the perp. A girl doing it with her onii-chan a year older than her is just 'kodomo only' for example. Conditioning duration? Target must first be prepared, ideally days and months on end, before the first actual penetration." ... then make a Type B, C, etc where the parameters are different, altered or missing (reversed age gaps, hypnotism during prep time, etc) and make a solid argument on why that type should be called grooming. Because if anything, there's going to be outliers, doujin artists are just being artists trying to innovate and push limits after all.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
btw @mods we're just discussing the nuance of the tag, we all agree that it should exist
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
> Rape followed by blackmail, mind break and the dependency is just that, rape and mind break through blackmail and emotion manipulation. - I agree, however, the gallery I provided does not include blackmail or coercion. At best, the son threatens to break things off with the mother, but that does not diminish the criteria laid out. Rather, it only strengthens the "systematic manipulation" part since he intentionally uses her fear of abandoment to establish co-dependency As far as your clearer examples, yes, we can all agree on those, but it's not quite what I was getting at
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
> I don't think a son raping and then "training" and emotionally manipulating / coercing / threathening his mother is grooming because there's no process before the sexual exploitation. Grooming is becoming a trusted / important person / creating dependency on the groomer -----> sexual exploitation. - This is introducing another criteria (linear progression) that I was not addressing nor is it in your definition. Again, I am only using three brief criteria: emotional conditioning, prolonged duration, and systematic manipulation. The latter gallery I provided certainly matches all three. Also, you yourself have said, "grooming is defined entirely by the process of exploitation, not the aftermath." You cannot say the aftermath does not matter, and then say that the manipulation must lead to sexual exploitation. I mentioned this in [1] to @40-sai
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@lenga > The metropolitan police from the UK defines grooming as "Grooming is when a person builds a relationship with a child, young person or an adult who's at risk so they can abuse them and manipulate them into doing things" - Your description is not the same as that though, so either match them up or don't use this as a point. I am using the article @40-sai provided which primarily mirrors your own current description (per Wikipedia: "[exploiting] a vulnerable person who is typically, but not always, under the age of consent" and more). Another source: https://rainn.org/get-the-facts-about-sexual-violence/get-the-facts-about-grooming/ "While grooming can happen to anyone, two groups face the highest risk: children and adults with vulnerabilities" At best we can include "vulnerable character," but that only circles back to my point that anyone can be groomed. Anyone can be "vulnerable" even adults who are typically capable of consent
lenga
lenga
Clearer exemples: Example A: a teacher starts talking to the loner girl in the class, being gentle and affectionate with her, telling her it's best if she stays distant from the other rather than getting closer and eventually hurting herself, playing with her insecurities and taking advantage of the fact that he is a trusted figure (a teacher) as well as a now close person. After that, he starts being touchy-feeling with her, saying it's training for her shyness and that it's okay because he isn't forcing her to do it, it's all for her own good. This is grooming. B: a teacher in after class advising rapes his student, takes a picture of her and threatens that if she doesnt do what he says he will send the picture to her friends, crush and bullies and she will be alone forever. That's rape + blackmail. If after some time she gets addicted to sex, that adds Mind Break.
lenga
lenga
So no, I don't think a son raping and than "training" and emotionally manipulating / coercing / threathening his mother is grooming because there's no process before the sexual exploitation. Grooming is becoming a trusted / important person / creating dependency on the groomer -----> sexual exploitation. Rape followed by blackmail, mind break and the dependency is just that, rape and mind break through blackmail and emotion manipulation.
lenga
lenga
The metropolitan police from the UK defines grooming as "Grooming is when a person builds a relationship with a child, young person or an adult who's at risk so they can abuse them and manipulate them into doing things." so I think the general idea of grooming leans heavily towards how 40-sai archwizard understands. If the younger person is in a position of power over the older one (24yo manager vs 27 yo staff), and the manager starts a processes of making the 27yo feel that they are only secure and can only trust her manager, that is grooming. They key here is "power inbalance" and "gradual conditioning", it can happen in a week if the groomed one is in a dire situation where they will cling to whoever extends a hand but can't help in a day, that's taking advantage of a vulnerable person.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
[3] > Experience not needed - mesugaki sluts etc are going to be added into the mix, causing further confusion. - Same thing as above. Yes, inexperienced characters are the main victims of grooming, but it is not a defining trait of it. You can be sexually experienced, old, or provocative (as in your mesugaki example) and still be emotionally manipulated over a long period of time > the deed is already done after the fact, everything that comes after is the aftermath [...] Let's not forget that "through prolonged emotional conditioning" [...] always comes first - them having sex in part 1 doesn't preclude the existence of grooming. Moreover, the quote from page 5 has no bearing on the son's systematic, prolonged, emotional manipulation; especially since there are a few more examples of it later on in part 2
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
[2] > even a total stranger would've been labeled as such (such as with enkou etc) - An anonymous stranger can groom another character (whether masked, online, whatever) so there is no issue there > No power dynamic needed - There is a bit of nuance concerning power dynamics. It is true that some 95% of galleries will exploit an existing power imbalance, however, it is not a defining trait of [grooming]. Recall that grooming primarily defines the process of manipulation. It can manipulate a significantly younger character with a power imbalance, or it can manipulate a peer with equal power; the process of manipulation itself still occurs That said, the remaining 5% of galleries that do not contain an existing power imbalance will almost certainly *use grooming to create one* (i.e. indebtedness, trust & authority, etc)
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
[1] @40-sai appreciate the reponse I should reiterate that consent, power dynamic, and experience are extremely prevalent in grooming, but they are not defining traits of it. That is all my argument is, really > No consent needed - it's just rape - As with most types of manipulation, the process of grooming is achieved using "underhanded and subtle" tactics (1). To consider consent as a criteria of any type of manipulation seems antithetical; if a victim consents to being manipulated, is it really subtle? (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipulation_(psychology) Now I will concede that consent is implied from the "into sexual compliance" bit; after all, if they comply then they consent, right? However, I think this is simply a miswording solved using your own source: "with the objective of sexual [compliance]" (2). I think this removes any confusion regarding the irrelevancy of the outcome or consent (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_grooming
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
No consent needed - it's just rape (yeah, grooming is technically 'statutory rape' but you get what I mean). No power dynamic needed - even a total stranger would've been labeled as such (such as with enkou etc). Experience not needed - mesugaki sluts etc are going to be added into the mix, causing further confusion. "The duration part comes to light in " the deed is already done after the fact, everything that comes after is the aftermath (page 5 "once you've had sex with [mother], there's no going back"). Let's not forget the "through prolonged emotional conditioning" bit in the current description by @lenga, that always comes first, then the "sexual compliance" comes next (not going to nitpick on the 'into' and 'through' grammar any further'). "Let's also stick to what the description originally entails. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_grooming" so we don't have to confuse ourselves further.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
The definition I'm addressing has three criteria, emotional conditioning, systematic manipulation, and long duration. You are correct that wouldnt fit "long duration" but it shows the son's systematic manipulation and emotional conditioning. The duration part comes to light in Consent, power dynamic, and experience are irrelevant imo
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
Afterthought: There's a reason I commented that 'glorified polynesian sex' bit, page 20 is already a great example. Let's also stick to what the description originally entails. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_grooming Checklist: Consensual? Target should have consent or at least not hating it. No drugs, hypnosis, etc. Experience? Target should have no prior experience, or at least doesn't think anything sexual is wrong (aka did some fapping). Power dynamic? Target should have some huge gaps in authority with the perp. A girl doing it with her onii-chan a year older than her is just 'kodomo only' for example. Conditioning duration? Target must first be prepared, ideally days and months on end, before the first actual penetration. There are already a lot of codes posted that fail this criteria. The checklist I just gave should be considered before labeling the doujin as such, or else we will fall into confusion much like the dissenters in the discussion had already done.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@fuckriri1234 Short synopsis: A son has just broke up with his girlfriend and is now depressed, his mother came to visit, they had a drinking session, one thing led to another and they had sex as a result. Checklist: Consensual: No. The victim was forced right off the bat, and under drunken stupor. Experience: No. The victim is already experienced aka already have a child (unless she experienced immaculate conception lol). Power dynamic: No. The victim is the one who is the authority figure. No abuse of authority by perp, one might even call it 'going against authority'. Conditioning duration: No. The deed was done within a day. Perp acts like he's seen and did the victim for the first time (pages 24, 28, 29, 30, 37) so no prolonged conditioning. Verdict: does not deserve the 'grooming' tag.
fuckriri1234
fuckriri1234
@40-sai it doesnt have to be younger or inexperienced though. the current description which states that it "typically" is might be the best description imo. i.e. > (17) I just want to do something nice for you once in a while. Just let me help you out a little, alright? > (22) I'm just doing something nice for my parent, that's all > (24) If we've gone this far and she still hasn't run away, it means she's fine with it, right? > (45) > (12-13) It's a pain, but I guess I'll give it a try [...] "He's being strangely sweet today" > (24) Mom is in such a good mood, and all I did was be a bit gentle and sweet with her [...] At this rate, maybe I can actually get mom to ... > (31) I'm just scared, mom... scared that one day you'll suddenly change your mind and dump me [...] I feel like maybe we should just end things before it comes to that > (50) All that training to make her swallow my cumulative without hesitation completely paid off
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
- Also be mindful of the condition where the relationship is normal at first but gets into sex already like . That is just the aggressor giving in to desire and getting the lust switch flipped on. There's no grooming when there's no prolonged sexual conditioning, that's just seduction or coercion or whatever otherwise. - Success or failure doesn't matter, only the process does. I missed many other points, bah, just backread the rest. And a reminder from a certain somebody: "INCEST, POLYGAMY, HYPNOSIS, SEXUAL SLAVERY, BEASTILITY, CHEATING AND AFFAIRS, AND COUNTLESS OTHER THINGS NORMAL IN HENTAI ARE ALL CRIMINAL OR TABOO IN REAL LIFE. HENTAI MORALITY IS COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY" Grooming IRL is a crime and therefore should stay in doujin only. lol
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
So to sum up: - "Depicts the systematic psychological manipulation of a younger or inexperienced character into consensual sexual compliance by a much older personally trusted authority figure through prolonged physical and emotional conditioning." I'd like to forward that description as the most accurate so far. - As an easier explanation, think of this tag as a glorified create tag polynesian sex accepted between a youngster and an older person, with some form of manipulation added into the mix. - Make sure the process is expressly displayed in the work before tagging. Implied or vague ones should not count (like saying someone got rped but nothing was shown). - Be mindful of the cultural setting where certain things are considered normal and not grooming behavior. page 36 In Japan family members bathing together is normal (with caveats). Going touchy-feely with malicious intent in that scenario is a different story.
lord411
lord411
@ranchdong try to make sense of what you are saying for yourself. how is it "insane" to properly define tags? like you said tags describe specific content for better organization, and if a "tag" can't be properly defined and doesn't refer to any consistent trope then that's not a tag, it's just a useless buzzword. you have to decide what really is the goal of this extended taxonomy system. is it really for creating a better search system like you claim, or is it just a toy for creating random buzzwords based on whatever you feel like. i also see certain people here would be in favor of renaming "lolicon" tag to "pedophilia"
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@aldinikirito page 9 is already a big NO, that's just straight up sleep rape right at the beginning. I get what you're trying to say, but don't mistake grooming for love bombing. create tag love bombing +7 Similar, but without the large power dynamic and cultivation over time. BTW, you still got popcorn for when @lord411 comes back here? lol
aldinikirito
aldinikirito
The thing I notice all of them only point out grooming can happen with loli or shota. but it can be happen with teenagers or adult too. this one grooming too right? - 1 - - - - - - step by step the thing he did is grooming. Isn’t it?? tell me if I was wrong.
aldinikirito
aldinikirito
I spend almost 1hr to read all this 99 comment that was absolute cinema ✋😆🤚... Fight, Fight, Fight. I love Fight... - Vladimir If you want to know my opinion, I think it would be good to have this tag. After all hentai features diverse and narrative-driven subgenres that span complex storytelling, emotional depth, and highly creative fantasy building. we shouldn't mixed up this with reality. "Grooming" is one top 3 manipulation type story we can see in hentai. it's like Gaslighting & Reality Distortion. These narratives feature characters who are systematically broken down by teacher, boss, older relative, or upperclassman. The manipulator twists facts, lies about past events, and isolates the victim until they completely lose trust in their own sanity and become entirely dependent on the manipulator. Stories like this are common, but not that common. If we have this much information in mind, we can easily recognize it.
M8 GTE
M8 GTE
Yea, what @ranchdong said. "You apply a tag if the content explicitly shows up in a work. IE if there are explicit and discreet mentions of training or teaching, rewarding them for sex, molding them into a sex toy, clear emotional manipulation, etc." Just apply this tag that shows that stuff, it's not that hard. Pretty easy to spot when an antag is emotionally manipulating someone to be their sex toy/sex pet.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@lenga "Depicts the systematic psychological manipulation of a younger or inexperienced character into consensual sexual compliance by a much older personally trusted authority figure through prolonged physical and emotional conditioning." I added 'consensual' to differentiate from a failed attempt ending into just plain rape, 'a much older personally trusted authority figure' being parents, relatives, teachers, etc. and not 100% total strangers (that would be seduction imo), and 'physical' because some doujin with this potential tag has some touchy-feelly moments from a few times back. I think that's just about as perfect as it can get.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@ranchdong "... I now have to build reports into taxonomy so I get visibility into crap like this" yes please, and please do not delete the offensive comments if possible, so we can have a PIN OF SHAME so trolls will think twice before commenting.
40-sai archwizard
40-sai archwizard
@akashako I'd have so much fun poking at the Brits rn, but let's just say it sucks to have your current kind of government. Anyway, like I said if we're going to sanitize the 'grooming' tag name then we'd do it for the other tag names as well. Take this tag describe toddlercon +203 for example, isn't this problematic? And AFAIK this website is not of British origin, is it? So it should not care what the Brit government says. (Oh look, @lord411 wrote in the 'toddlercon' suggestion: "Add "fictional" just for good measure "attraction towards fictional characters that look like toddlers or infants"", and is not dunking on the comments like he did here. He gets salty with 'grooming' but apparently is ok with 'toddlercon' lmao.)
akashako
akashako
@40-sai archwizard Unfortunately the British government does not think so. To them any material related to this is considered equal, regardless of if it is fictional.
akashako
akashako
@lenga That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, people will THINK we are signaling we like that stuff, not that we ARE signaling we like that stuff. For an outside observer, it seems like the site is promoting that kind of porn, when is fact, it's almost the opposite.
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