@lord411 so: > A loli character who is stated or implied to be very old. Often achieved through supernatural, magical, or other fictional means. atp it's whatever. we really dont need this much discussion it's a fucking lolibaba lol

I thought about it and maybe it is really too plain and not clear enough about common examples "Loli character who is stated or implied to be very old, could be an old woman or any fantasy character like vampire, elf, etc" I guess that's clear enough and still short

@PervyPastryPuffer98 grammar correction, "A loli character who is stated or implied to be very old"

@lord411 So to concise it further it would be "A loli character whose stated or implied to be very old" It's straight to the point but it's quite a plain description

I think the most straightforward way to describe this would be "A loli character whose age is stated or implied to be very old/high" I guess that is a good enough catch all as the character's written age is the main factor here

So, what I said, minus behaviour, but way wordier.

Also to add I think there's a distinction between supernatural means (Divine beings, ghost, Youkai etc.) and magical means (youth / immortality potion, spell or curse)

@fuckriri1234 In my opinion, it's too vague if it only say "through fictional means". The preceding 3 helps to tell people the common tropes of how a person is or became a lolibaba. Thank you for your rewording and for tidying up the description, I will use it.

Noted. What do you all think about this new description?

In my opinion, "elderly" have done much work here so we don't need to add "extraordinarily old" anymore because elderly already entails it. Also, you can shorten "being born into a race with a long life span" into "racial traits". Still, I think it's a very fitting description for this tag. It's just a too long.

@lord411 and @fuckriri1234 "a loli who is an elderly or extraordinarily old but kept their child-like appearance often through supernatural, magical, or other fictional means" What do you guys think?

@PervyPastryPuffer98 You can also use "pubescent" instead of child

@lord411 Does editing the first part as "Female characters who are elderly or extraordinarily old but have the physical appearance of a child." Works for you?

@akashako While it is the common trope of lolibaba I was deliberately do not include their way of talking, acts or behavior in my description. As your comment and @fuckriri1234 pointed out not all lolibaba that have lived for hundreds or thousands of years acts like old ladies. I was avoiding to include that in description but then later describe the exceptions for it because it will make the description longer than necessary. While my description is quite long I want to highlight that there are human lolibaba that are in their elder years but not impossibly old and there are non-human lolibaba that lived for hundreds if not thousands of years but might not reach maturity according to their lifespan. A 200 year old elves is very old to us but might be considered juvenile or still a child to elves. That was what I was aiming for while writing the description and I am willing to edit the description if other users also find it redundant.

"young girl" means anything from a 16 year teenager to 22 year woman. Why are people so afraid of calling loli what it is even on a hentai site? I already proposed shotacon and lolicon to be fixed for this same problem describe shotacon +5

This is what I had proposed in create tag lolibaba accepted "A loli character that is and acts as an elderly woman. Typically speaking in an older dialect that reflects her age." I think this is enough. I'm not sure if it should include the stipulation of excluding lolis that do not act elderly despite being ancient. Like Rory Mercury, Kanna Kamui, or the Scarlet sisters.

@fuckriri1234 I appreciate your input I added The "extraordinary old" and "being born into a race with long life span" since most of the lolibabas are extremely old compared to human life span as they live for hundreds of years like elves, demons, Kitsune girls, etc. but there are human lolibabas that are old and an elderly but doesn't live for hundreds of years If other users also think it's redundant I will edit it out