just split it into mothercon and mother. Then you can have the mothercon tag and the mother + ntr tags for the rest

This currently includes works where the mother is ntr'd without ever having sex with the son, so it's not exclusively an incest tag. "A work that includes a mother / motherly figure participating in sexual activities" This way we don't include every work a mother appear while account for the non incest ones.

Currently it's an incest tag.

Mother should be an incest tag

Currently it's an incest tag.

Still no clue if this is an incest tag, or a tag about a mother character.

@fuckriri1234 I agree there should be a true milf tag, but taking a tag and trying to turn it into something it is not, is not the right way to go about it. The mother tag is already established as an incestuous tag from it's source and changing it to not be, will require a significant amount of time and effort from everyone. I think the right approach would be to make a new tag and tagging the 11% of non-incest galleries, instead of the other way around. Proposals like create tag maternal +10 and the withdrawn motherly, would maybe work.

@akashako haha my bad I didnt expect u to be on rn but back on topic, idk... i just think there's a logical basis to have "mother" as a more general tag than simply "mother incest" even though i initially argued the opposite I'll let lord411 explain more once/if they get back tho since it is their argument yfm appreciate u tho @akashako

@fuckriri1234 Alright. The dance of hilarious stupidity will be only known to you and me.

[3/3] @akashako that is unfortunately not something I can argue. The milf and dilf tags are labeled and used as "character aged between 30-50" according to the wiki, for females and males respectively. While I am not happy with the quality of this proposal, it is 100% accurate, so I will back it up

[2/3] @akashako So, you're saying they are mothers one would want to have sex with given an opportunity? @Fuckriri1234 To be clear, who is "they?" *[...] @akashako By "they" I mean the mothers, the characters who are mothers in the gallery. Those characters in particular are mothers, who, if the person reading had the oppotunity, without any moral or ethical dilemas or potential aftermath, would have sex with, because the reader would like to have sex with them @Fuckriri1234 not a terrible argument, the only problem is that "milf" is not understood that way. in the same way that "dilf" is being proposed as "middle aged man..." milf simply refers to a woman in her middle ages (commonly bestowed) * @akashako okay that thread is fucked. For anyone reading @Fuckriri1234 I've contained all of our discussion points in > and - comments, if you wanna remove yours for clarity, that'd be great

[1/3] @fuckriri1234 After thinking for a bit, I think I've come to understand @lord411's point. not only does it conform to my priority of uniform tagging, it also allows general tagging for these proposals @akashako Following that same logic, all galleries featuring a female character should be tagged as daughter since all females are the daughter of someone @Fuckriri1234 well, no. all females being a daughter is an *implicit* understanding of reproduction as a whole. in the cases described by @lord411, they're *explicitly* shown as mothers, or bearers of children @akashako You do realize that MILF is a acronym for "mother I'd like (to) fuck." @Fuckriri1234 I do, that's why i brought it up initially. however, i concede that there are numerous galleries of "mothers" which dont fit the commonly understood meaning of "milf" i.e. #475016 | Mitsu to Chou | Nectar & Butterfly - De… | 35,161

Use case examples Cheating wife, no direct incest #263862 | Mamatomo Aki no Shinbokukai | The mothe… | 7,860 #638764 | TomoHaha to Onaji Yane no Shita de - Un… | 4,141 #46579 | Shotaiken wa Tomodachi no Mama to | His… | 3,161 #186276 | Ran♡Kon | 14,561 #363433 | Tomodachi no Mama to Issho | 32,322 #413104 | Motto Tomodachi no Mama to Issho | 40,367

Divorcee/Widow, no direct incest #137838 | Musume no Kare | My Daughter's Boyfriend | 74,205 #594702 | I will make a single mother my wife 1 | 47,113 #398741 | Saimin Kanojo Kanojo no Haha Takanashi… | 39,990 #75081 | Apron Ai | Apron Love | 6,418

Oyakodon, no incest #534320 | Hiyakeato no Musume to Fuufu ni natta S… | 116,952 #361817 | Musume Nochi Haha, Tokoroniyori Shunrai… | 39,685 #126473 | Natsu Jiru Ch. 1-5 | 2,663 #82192 | Mamagoto | 6,554 #211173 | Katekano♡ | Tutor Girlfriend♡ | 59,808 #314412 | Orc Chinpo o Te ni Ireta! Elf Oyako o O… | 65,960 #533407 | Natsu to Inaka to Yuuwaku shite kuru De… | 53,541 #277178 | Amatsuka Gakuen no Ryoukan Seikatsu | A… | 34,363 306977

Mother NTR, no incest #204827 | Haha de Aru Mae ni + Bangaihen | Before… | 21,287 #417912 | Kokujin no Tenkousei NTR ru Chapters 1-… | 14,006 #612401 | Y-kun | 10,614 #160868 | Oyako no Omoi | A Mother's Love (COMIC… | 9,685 #288813 | Yanmama Oba-san no Miwaku no Karada -Bo… | 68,502 #364677 | Yanmama o Gaki no Sugata ni Natte Fukus… | 87,170 agree or not all of these manga has "mothers", that's objective

Tag Type: Attribute / Contextual Description: Any sexual situation between a female and her children. Notes: Requires the incest tag. Slave Tags: Female Taken from ehwiki where the tags come from.

I'll go over it one more time, sex with a "mother" character, a woman with children is it's own fetish that doesn't always involve incest. It could be a cheating wife, a oyakodon, a widow or divorcee, or a ntr situation where someone's mother is getting ntr-ed. All of these genres involve mother but not necessarily incest. Mother-son incest is it's own genre.

@akashako you are the one who doesn't understand what the tag is and instead of admitting you are wrong you are saying the examples must be wrong

Mother IS is an incest subtag. Some uploaders just don't understand the usage and tag mother without knowing that it requires incest to be included as well.

@lord411 no I get that, i was just saying that most of those galleries would fit the milf tag I feel like it's a reasonable assumption. still not sure why [mother] shouldnt be an incest subtag to you

A sexual situation between a female and her children. It always requires the incest tag.

@fuckriri1234 "milf" means a mature woman not a literal mother, "mother" tag implies the character already has children, the two are different things

@lord411 I feel like that's a terribly roundabout way to define [mother] though out of the 17.1k galleries tagged with [mother], a mere 1.8k of them do not have [incest] (searched as [mother - incest]) these galleries are either missing [incest] (ex1) or they are using [mother] incorrectly when [milf] should be used instead (ex2, ex3) 1.8k isn't an absurd amount of filtering, and the examples below have gts proposals that mirror the description exactly as i mentioned above [mother] should be an incest subtag, not a replacement for [milf], and galleries misusing it should be corrected (ex1) #675056 | Taima no Haha, Roku Remaster Soushuuhen | 15,378 (ex2) #659587 | Ottori mama o jōshiki kaihen musuko no… | 3,909 (ex3) #665119 | Fubuki-san Tsuzuki Chottodake | 更多一點風舞希… | 2,683

This tag just implies that one of the main characters is a mother. Doesn't need to be related to the protagonist, she could gf's mother or just a cheating wife with children.

someone did suggest a description, but it was withdrawn a few hours ago describe mother withdrawn I would define it as this: "When a character has sex with their female parent. Parent can be blood-related, step-, in-law, foster, etc." Note: galleries where the mother does not have sex with their child is NOT included i.e. #364677 | Yanmama o Gaki no Sugata ni Natte Fukus… | 87,170 I'm not sure if mother figures that aren't related should fit i.e. a woman takes in a runaway and cares for them until adulthood. In a sense that could fall under "foster-parent"