@40-sai archwizard yeah, that just looks like an "old man"

Are the "ugly gentlemen" in works by Aya like #371443 | Tsutomesaki no Musume-san o Oishiku ita… | 66,309 not ugly enough? I remember seeing even more ugly ones, can't remember the titles though. "I kind of remember someone trying an "ugly bitch" but I can't find it..." It is [female ugly bastard] and I put it up myself a few days ago.

@cyber_fucker I disagree. Since this is fiction, I believe that someone that's like an "ugly gentleman" isn't ugly at all, most of the time they're just fat (bbm). For example I found #101364 | Pizza to Shoujuu | Pizza and the Little… | 4,256 which is just a wholesome story and you can see the dude isn't that ugly, he's just really fat. Meanwhilte I was able to find #364856 | Saimin ♥ Benki | Hypno ♥ Toilet | 5,939 where the male is visibly uglier and while the female is actually in love with him, his intentions aren't pure and therefore he still classifies as an ugly bastard. I'm curious to see if someone can find a work where the "ugly gentlemen" is actually ugly

but the problem with the ugly bastard tag is that it includes the personality of the ugly person. we need a tag that can be used for characters that are ugly, but not bastards.

we now have an "ugly bastard" tag, I kind of remember someone trying an "ugly bitch" but I can't find it so either the suggested tag is named differently or it was just a comment I've read